20TH Annual DSM/EVO Shootout

[David Buschur]

David,

A quick question regarding 140 vs 100 treadwear being a threshhold of "race tire". I ask because in the past many orgnanisations used 100. This put most drag radials as "street tires", but kept kept most true race tires (which are under 100) out, as "race tires".

The problem is "race tire" in this case, for Max Effort, is more geared towards the autocross side of the class. I had the rules at 100 tread wear originally but some of the experts in autocross told me that doing that was a bit ridiculous. The reason they gave me was street tires have come so far that the time difference between a DOT Street tire with 100 tread wear rating and an actual slick was very minimal. The suggestion from the experts were to cut the street tires off at 140 so the guys with a REAL street tire didn't have to compete against the near-slick-performance of the 100 tread wear tires like the Nitto NT01's and AD08's. I then did a bit of research on it and paid close attention when I was racing at Mid Ohio and definitely agreed and changed it back to the 140 that it was last year.

[GreenMachine]

I did some research and also found that 140 is the new 100

What does this mean? Your old 100 tires are now obsolete and there are now a bunch 140 tires, which are just as good, if not better than the old 100, only they are considered "street tires"

Chacing trends like this forces you to keep buying new tires. Not a big deal if you are a hard core racer and go throu a set of tires every season, but a bigger deal for those who keep the same tires for many years (probably not a good practice anyway).

Basically, if anyone wants to be competitive in AutoX, you should get one of those new 140 tires. And you can add Toyo R1R tires to that list.

[David Buschur]

Yes, I'd agree with what you just said, 140 is the new 100 and the 100's are the new damn-near-race tires. I also agree, if you are keeping your tires for years then real performance isn't your goal anyway, so the tire wear is moot.

[SS Laser]

Come on Wayne......the Quick 16 field is over filled already, I think 4-5 cars didn't make the field last year. There are two days with qualifiers, not two days of qualifying. One qualifier Saturday night and then two Sunday, so the same three shots everyone has had in the past. It's not MY sandbox and I change the race as it's needed to make everyone happy. I just think without making the payout larger for the class, making more rounds of racing isn't a good idea.

I am just busting your balls! I also get that there are still only 3 qualifiers. Just more time to make passes with 2 track days. Well I am not happy change the damn race LOL!! Looking forward to another great shootout!

[eclipsed4speed]

I am just busting your balls! I also get that there are still only 3 qualifiers. Just more time to make passes with 2 track days. Well I am not happy change the damn race LOL!! Looking forward to another great shootout!

If the tracks open the friday before Im open to a few test runs,

[JohnBradley]

Depending on the tow situation...me too

[David Buschur]

I got a call today from the manager of Motel 6. They want their entire hotel booked with Shootout participants!! She has offered special rates for you guys and here they are:


16th, $46.74
17th and 18th, $80.74
19th, $38.24


These rates do not include tax. I think it's pretty outstanding that they called and want the hotel booked. This hotel is in Milan, about 6 miles north of Norwalk.

[Yonekichi]

I am 100% in for camping, Dave! Thanks for your efforts in putting together such a kick ass event! I look forward to competing with my new BR 2.0LR.

[MikeRizz]

I got a call today from the manager of Motel 6. They want their entire hotel booked with Shootout participants!! She has offered special rates for you guys and here they are:

16th, $50.99
17th and 18th, $59.49
19th, $42.49

These rates do not include tax. I think it's pretty outstanding that they called and want the hotel booked. This hotel is in Milan, about 6 miles north of Norwalk.

Wow, that is great pricing! I booked at the Econolodge per usual and the cost is more then twice this amount!

[8thWonder]

Do we need to mention anything to get this deal? Talk to the manager?

[DragNRacing.com]

Motel 6 is already sold out except for Thursday!

[David Buschur]

That's hard to believe Trevor, the entire hotel is reserved for us already, you have to call and mention you want a room for the Buschur Race.

[mullen]

Already have the suite reserved with Rogue

[DragNRacing.com]

That's hard to believe Trevor, the entire hotel is reserved for us already, you have to call and mention you want a room for the Buschur Race.

The first time I called, I followed the phone prompts and pressed option 3 for future reservations. Apparently that transfers to some National reservation line and all the rooms show booked there. I called back just now and pressed 0 instead and after about 10 minutes the lady found the blocked off rooms for the event and I was able to book the rooms.

[8thWonder]

Got it booked. :-)

[David Buschur]

Sorry, she gave me wrong room rates, I have them updated to what she changed them to. Rooms are still available.

[Mzderrick04]

Just got our 4 rooms booked, make sure that you hit option 0 to get to the front desk. If you get the main call center they will show no rooms available. I got rooms for 3 nights for $249.73 with taxes and fees. That is cheaper than we paid there last year!!!!

[David Buschur]

Just saw the flier for the Shootout in Summit Motorsports new season schedule.

There is a few listed for camping for the Shootout.

-$50 Motor home camping, $25 primitive camping.

I have updated the first post with the information.

[mullen]

they charge now? weird

[blue64tsi]

i went back and read page 1 again.... did anything ever become of having a bon fire saturday??