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    Intake manifolds................what a PITA it has all been. Starting from an out of control internet battle and ending with 2 years of testing just about everything I could get my hands on.

    The amount of testing that I have performed over the last two years is borderline obsessive compulsive. I've had intake manifolds on and off my RS so many times I literally wore the threads out in the head.

    For those of you that followed all the testing a lott took place. First it was simply dyno testing in the winter of 07-08. Then it went into flow bench testing along with dyno testing during the winter of 08-09 and then we tested some new intakes and re-visited some old ones.

    During all this testing we had our dyno re-calibrated which moved our entire power curve to the right (making things appear more laggy than they were before). This threw things off and we had to go back to re-do some testing to get things back into perspective. Then at some point during all the testing I decided to install a set of cams I had custom ground from Crane, this again changed everything. Power rose by 30+ whp with the cam change. More testing followed, some of it was going backwards to baseline again with the cam change as the cams lost some low/mid range.

    Unfortunately the exhaust cam on the car failed, this led me to trying to mix-match the Crane intake with an exhaust cam from a different company, this caused HUGE low/mid range losses. I couldn't even stand to drive the laggy POS at that point.

    The car has been through a lot of changes with all this testing but I am happy to say that right now the car is by far the best it has ever been. The fattest HP/Torque curve it has ever had, actually enjoyable to drive on the street with enough low/mid range to make me think I can autocross it with the HTA86 on it. It's proven itself running three back-to-back 9.1's at 158 mph at this years shootout in 95 degree heat, with no cool down. To give you an idea of how hot it was and how quickly the car was run on those three runs the coolant temps were at 210 degrees and the intake air temps were at 146 degrees!

    During the intake manifold testing we built a few intake manifolds as I felt I was getting a grip on what the car actually wanted and what would work. The very first intake was a winner in the power producing department but a mis-calculation on my part left me with an extremely tight fitment to the firewall. I was happy as hell with the power curve but knew we could do even better.

    We built a few that ended up scrapped, some of those parts are here on display in our showroom.

    Then we built what was to be our final attempt and also proved to produce the largest average power from 3,000-9,000 rpm of any intake we ever tested.

    The stock intake manifold performs the best from idle to 5500 rpm, end of statement, nobody has produced more power than the stock intake in that area.

    So when producing an intake that is going to make big power up top I wanted to concentrate on also building one with the LEAST LOSSES down low. I am not building a drag only car and neither are most of you. I wanted an intake that would make great numbers across the entire rpm band of the engine and that's what we ended up with.

    Another requirement was to be able to use the stock throttle body and any available intercooler pipes, without cutting or modifying.

    The intake we built sits in the stock location as far as the the throttle body is concerned. No changes to i/c pipes are required.

    I do not want to go into specifics about plenum volume or runner length because that is the one mistake that I feel everyone is making in their intake manifolds. This is based on MY PERSONAL requirement of the best overall power from 3,000-9,000 rpm.

    The BR Sheetmetal intake manifold has provisions for the dipstick to be bolted on and uses the stock or any aftermarket fuel rail. The throttle body flange is 65mm to mate up to modified stock throttle bodies. We do not use tapped holes or a block that you have to drill and tap for boost/vacuum fittings. We have billet aluminum bungs/nipples welded into the intake manifold. This makes it impossible for them to strip or leak. Just push your hoses onto the supplied/installed nipples. There is one located in the back of the plenum for the brake booster, two on the drivers side end under the throttle body for BOV and a MAP sensor or Boost control. On the passenger end there are two more nipples one for fuel pressure and boost or MAP sensor. I can't stand having the fittings in the back of the intake, they are impossible to get to. I can't stand the fittings on the top or front because it makes it look cluttered. The fittings on our intake have been placed where they need to be so they can be used with the shortest hose routing and look clean.

    Dyno testing. The intake manifold has been dyno'd now with two different cubic inch engines, 2 liter and 2.1 and has been dyno'd with two different sets of cams, our 272's and the custom set of Crane's. In all testing this intake manifold has out performed every other intake manifold that I have tested. The testing is however not back-to-back. I originally had no intention of selling the intake manifolds. I wanted to build one kick ass part for my own car and that was it. Given the amount of time and effort we have in testing and building the part and the current state of what is needed for go fast parts, I have changed my mind. Providing dyno sheets I can do but in doing so I have to say that much of the testing has spanned over 6 months and I do not have good back to back data with the cars current power curve to compare to say, the stock ported intake. The last time the stock ported intake was on the car the IAT's were 46 degrees. My latest testing was done with IAT's in the 90's. Keep in mind though, the most power was still made even in those temps with our own intake manifold.

    Here is a picture of the new intake manifold:











    These are available now, instock. I'd like this thread to stay where I am putting it so I am not posting pricing here. Shoot me a PM if you are interested.

    Thanks for looking.
    Last edited by David Buschur; 10-21-2009 at 02:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David
    I will put together some of the best dyno comparisons I can find and post them up. I may even go back and do some new fresh testing as soon as it slows down here for the winter.
    I enjoyed reading that thread. Thanks for taking the time to go through all that. Show me the gains between your ported stocker and this one and you may have convinced me to nab one.

    Speaking of which, I need to call your shop and make an order for a couple things.

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    I just went through the dyno sheets, man it's hard to keep track of all of it. I can't find a stock ported intake dyno graph at 40 psi. I am going to have to look through some posts and see if I ever posted a graph to see what I can find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David
    I just went through the dyno sheets, man it's hard to keep track of all of it. I can't find a stock ported intake dyno graph at 40 psi. I am going to have to look through some posts and see if I ever posted a graph to see what I can find.
    I remember you spent a LOT of time making all kinds of tweaks to the ported stocker to get it to perform better than nearly all the aftermarket sheet metal ones out there. For the price, it's an excellent deal.

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    Forget that last statement. I do have the stock ported intake at 40 psi. I ran that test on 2-17-09. Two things are wrong, number one that was before the dyno was re-calibrated for the RPM, so everything after that date looks like it is more laggy. The other problem is the car only made 666 whp and 536 ft lbs then. For comparison it is now making 683 whp and 535 ft lbs at the same boost level with the same cams, even with the dyno being different and 40 degrees difference in IAT's.

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    Yeah more parts to spend money on haha.

    Looks great i'll look into one this winter for sure
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    Hell yeah that thing is sick lookin in person!

    Great job as always David.
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    nice mani.... dang it! i just bought one though. oh well, so what about these crane cams you speak of? if they are better than the bf272's then i want a set! are they for sale yet?

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    The cams made close to another 40 whp over our BF272's. Crane is out of business. The cam is complicated and can't be ground by just anyone.

    Right now they are not available but it is being worked on.

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    Nice product!! Awesome price!! You'll sell quite a few of these I'm sure, unlike that "untested" x-mas ornament I seen on EVOM..... You know, the $2,300 one......



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    Thanks Lonnie but don't use that ugly one for wallpaper, let us get the full deal welded up like they are now, they are beautiful.

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    I been running the stock ported mani since You did my engine build. I got the BR race IC on the car instead of the AMS now. This will be my next mod asoon as I can afford it. Being paid flat rate sucks when your slow!

    Looking forward to break 500 on CBRDs dyno next visit on pump.
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    looks great, im glad you finally got them done man! gonna have to pick one up over the winter.

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    nice how the hell have i missed this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowevo42
    nice how the hell have i missed this...
    You suck at the intranetz?????

    Dont worry. Ive missed thread that were 2-3 months old from customers who posted nice long reviews and stuff on EvoM. I like to be fashionably late. Its how I roll. Haha
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    ha lol ya i do suck boo me
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    You know this is funny... I just saw this item added to the catalog online and I was like.. wait a minute I NEVER saw this..
    Hello Christmas item #1 on the list! LOL... love to see this on my car soon... time will tell... comon promotion LOL
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    what tb you running with this?
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    Where do we tap in the MAP sensor David? I know on my ported stocker I use the RRE attachment. I'm probably just blind but can I use this on this manifold also?
    Quote Originally Posted by David Buschur View Post
    Yes he has to be joking, I wouldn't put an ACT clutch in a lawnmower, let alone any car I cared about.

    Whats in my car? Take 1 of everything Stage 3 in the Buschur Catalog and there ya go

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    We have set this up to use the 65 mm modified stock throttle bodies. I have no plans to flange it for anything else in the throttle body department.

    We have billet cnc'd nipples welded into the intake. One of those is used to run your map sensor to.

    We will be offering these with AN ports on them. Trent is building the first on in the next few days for the badbish. I'll post pics of it and show why we are doing it with the nice fittings and such.

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